Re: [LM_NET] Research and plagiarism policies

[Lisa Hunt <lisa3moon@YAHOO.COM>]

I think we all just deal with the abilities that come through the door.  My school 
has the discussion every year or two about "Why don't the (younger grade teachers) 
teach (vital skills) so my (older grade students) are prepared?"  The answer to 
this is, "They do."
   
  Writing and research are taught in the elementary grades in my district, but 
students consistently show up in JH and behave as though they have no idea what to 
do.  Then, the HS students act with the same confusion after JH is completed.
   
  It seems like we have to reteach all the time.

Gail Smith <gsmith@EDISON.CPS.K12.IL.US> wrote:
  Not to be pointing a finger at anyone, but I am just wondering why 
9th and 10th graders would just be starting to learn the research 
process at that age. Similarly, why would they just now be learning 
the writing process. From your position, if they have not learned 
how to do either of these things, you are doing well to teach them 
research and writing, but I would suggest that their elementary and 
middle school experience should have them prepared so they would be 
refining skills at your level, to which they were already introduced 
in prior years. I don't know the curriculum in the lower schools of 
your area, but our students begin research skills in 3rd grade, that 
include a source list with title and author of any materials they 
used. We don't teach any formal citation style until later, but 
writing process and research skills are taught, starting in the 
elementary grades. I would feel that I had not done my job if I sent 
8th grade graduates out of here without a good grasp of researching, 
writing, and citing sources. By then they do know the how and why of 
bibliographic citations.

Gail Smith, NBCT
Librarian & Tech Facilitator
Edison Regional Gifted Center - Chicago, Illinois
gsmith@edison.cps.k12.il.us

On May 29, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Karl Dowell wrote:

> Ken Umbach's comments make me want to restate my position more 
> clearly.
> I agree wholeheartedly that people entering a professional arena 
> should
> possess compentence in the associated skills. On the other hand, 9th
> and 10th graders really do have their hands full. They are 
> beginning to
> learn the basic research process at the same time they are learning 
> the
> writing process! Each is quite difficult in its own right. Adding 
> full
> MLA citation instruction simply overloads most of these students. 
> I do
> think students graduating high school should have a grasp of not only
> proper format but the reasons why it is done and be able to document
> their research according to the standard reasonably well. That's my
> goal.
>
> And I think David Lininger's suggested citation style is an even 
> better
> answer than the automated citation websites.
>
>
>
> Karl Dowell
> Media Director
> Mustang High School
> Mustang OK
> dowellk@mustangps.org
>
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        Lisa Hunt
  School Library Media Specialist, elementary
  National Board Certified Teacher
  Moore, OK
  lisa3moon@yahoo.com 





 
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